Anonymous said: how do you think the us government feels about steve rogers? i've just been thinking that they might resent/hate him a little, because a dead martyr is much simpler than a living saint. before he came out of the ice, every second rate politician could use the idea of steve rogers, but now he's back and it's much more difficult to claim that the american hero would support your issue when he's in the next room. what do you think (if anything) about it bc you are so much more coherent than i am
OH WHAT I WOULD GIVE TO TAKE AN EXTENDED VACATION IN THE MCU HOPEFULLY NOT IN ANY LARGE CITIES BUT AN ISOLATED SPOT THAT HAS VERY LITTLE CHANCES OF BEING TARGETED, WITH A FULLY FUNCTIONAL INTERNET SERVICE AND ALSO SUBSCRIPTIONS TO MAJOR NEWSPAPERS
honestly? i think you’re right with the whole dead martyr stuff - we LOVE martyrs. martyrs are easy. martyrs are political, martyrs can become anything we want or need them to become. you cannot tell me that in the mcu itself steve’s legend and genesis wouldn’t have been warped to fit whoever is talking about him - given that he spent most of his time post serum fighting in the howling commandos, and probably didn’t have time to do anything more political than selling war bonds, there’s a nice little blank spot there for anyone to fill in with whatever they wanted. especially - and this is the key point - everything about dead national icons is just so EASILY warped to fit whatever perspective you’re going for, unsavoury actions so easily erased - for example, ghandi hated black people, churchill was a racist and said some weird shit about gassing, thomas jefferson raped sally hemings (the founding fathers OWNED SLAVES COME ON). in light of what we’ve managed to sweep under the rug with regards to ACTUAL people doing ACTUAL shitty things; it’s not a stretch to imagine that steve rogers and captain america would have been used as an easy shorthand to promote some pretty fucked up shit in recent history. in fact, im pretty sure you only have to look at the comics that came out during the sixties and seventies to see how they do it?
ANYWAY, now that he’s out of the ice and OH DONT FORGET DESTROYING INTELLIGENCE FACILITIES nobody is probably too fond of him at the moment. in this case, however, there’s an ideological issue at stake here - sure, nobody would want to make extrapolations on ‘what captain america would do’ because there’s a very real chance that he would show up and be like YOU’RE WRONG - but there’s also an issue of conflicting purposes. for the first time, they actually have QUITE A GOOD REASON TO BE PISSED AT HIM. for all that cap 2 was a big movie it was also really really internal - everything was seen from steve’s point of view, and we as the audience know that destroying shield and subsequently unleashing the majority of delicate state secrets was a necessary move; but at the same time - it also puts america as a country in very very dangerous waters. how many agents deep undercover do you think were recorded on those files? how many of them do you think died as a result of total transparency? how many plans in the pipelines? obviously as an institution and as a ideological creation nazis are BAD BAD VERY BAD and so is the military industrial complex, but those plans and those institutions are made up of people who will be endangered by this complete transparency. steve himself, as well - you see by the end of the movie, refuses to show up to the congressional meeting to answer for his actions, and natasha basically says ‘yolo’ and leaves. there is no accountability, and it’s interesting because - when tony decided to be iron man he told the press that his company was going to be held accountable, but he never (and neither do the other superheroes) applies the same standard of accountability to themselves. both steve and natasha showed contempt for the court in refusing to answer for their actions; there’s an ideological issue where people won’t be able to use captain america for politics anymore, but there’s also genuine reason for resentment considering how steve’s actions look to the outside world.
it’s not purely an issue of partisanship. it’s not purely an issue of how politicians use him to further their own ends - i mean, god, of cOURSE WE DO if we can use political unrest in other countries as a talking point then we sure as hell can use this - but it’s also GENUINE REASON TO BE WORRIED, because a system without accountability for individuals - a system where you literally cannot make these individuals obey the law, is a system of private vigilantes and ‘privatized world peace’. that’s not a sustainable model and it’s sure as hell not going to hold. so yes, there is personal resentment, but on the other hand i think they’re realizing now that this is a problem that needs to be contained.
One of the best analysis of the politics in the MCU I’ve ever read (and an amazing synthesis of why we should accept that our heroes can be wrong - and still heroes).